Brent's tour quality swing

Posted: Tue 19:39, 18 Feb 2014

Brent,

My eye did not fail me when looking shortly on YT , but was too weak enough to see that you have a tour quality swing motion, mate ! One of the best I've ever seen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4pM216AMz0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd8hcQf8fyM

Face on is a pure example of the SPC concept executed perfectly; everything is in the right place, the motion appears to be subconsciously-friendly and sequential from the ground up.

DTL shows a great slightly OTT from the inside rotary swing with a beautiful EEP in the downswing and impact position. The only one thing that should add cherry on the top of the cake is adding a bit diagonality of the stance that would help with enhancing even stronger pivot (rear heel a bit more up, lead hip a bit more open at impact, lead leg a bit more in an extension at impact).

Now, a macro analysis:

You seem to be a RED, RHD and RLD person who strongly activates lead non-dominant hand (inconsistencties can sometimes occur during too much handle dragging and too much forward shaft lean at impact). If they occur with such a motion, of course. Henry Cotton could have asked you though to let some "flick" happen.

All 5 common denominators for the great ballstrikers are reached in your motion:
(1) -- pivot guided motion from both the ground up as well as from the core out without stalling of the pivot in the wide impact zone
(2) -- balance in the coronal plane maintained without a sign of early extension
(3) -- transverse plane compression after transition with a muscular effort to use ground forces (both vertically as well as horizontally oriented) as well as possible
(4) -- plane shift to the elbow plane as early as possible resulting in rear humerus being supported by the pivoting body and rear forearm supporting the shaft
(5) -- as small as possible rate of clubface closure in the wide impact zone.

Reassumming -- you need a great microscale instruction running in case of having some issues. I cannot help you more unless I need to destroy your beautiful motion first Smile

Below some pics and comparison to the post-secret Mr.Hogan.

Cheers,

Posted: Tue 20:05, 18 Feb 2014

RED version of Hogan:

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No comments Smile

What Sir Henry would have noticed (if necessary !):

Posted: Tue 20:07, 18 Feb 2014

Cheers,

Posted: Wed 3:34, 19 Feb 2014

Dariusz,

Thanks for your kind words and I appreciate you taking the time to look at my swing.

I've been working on it for quite some time and while it may appear good, I'm not the caliber of ball striker that I'd like to be. I've fought a hook my entire golfing life and that is what ended my golfing career.

On the downswing, I've always fought the following:

1) slight early extension
2) too much upper axis tilt to early
3) club getting under plane (high right forearm coming into impact)
4) high rate of clubface closure in the wide impact zone

These show up a little bit more when I have a golf ball in front of me.

You are correct with be being RED, RHD & RLD and I agree with your assessment of the lead non-dominant hand. How do I deactivate the lead hand or let some "flick" happen as Mr. Cotton would say?

Also, I'm not the smartest guy so I don't quite understand the meaning of the red lines drawn on the comparison images of Mr. Hogan and I. I can see the differences, but I'm not sure what changes to make and how to make them.

Once again I thank you for your time and look forward to hearing from you!

Cheers,

Brent

Posted: Wed 14:08, 19 Feb 2014

Brent,

It is a pleasure for eye to look at pretty swings foir a swing theorist.

Answering your question -- albeit shot shape problems are rather a microscale issue and should be dealt by an instructor, there are some macro hints, however. You're in a good company since what you need now was a goal for Ben Hogan. He was a chronic hooker until he found his secret how to get out of this cage.
If you compare his pre-secret motion to his post-secret one you will notice perhaps several differences, but two of them are most crucial IMO. There are:
1. adopting diagonality of the stance with square shoulders, open hips and closed feet --> please read this chapter:
[link widoczny dla zalogowanych]
2. getting rid of handle dragging on favour of a push release until impact converting into slap-hinge release after impact --> please read this, especially the late part:
[link widoczny dla zalogowanych]
Of course the third crucial one, i.e. downswing plane over the backswing plane is obvious so that a slight OTT element is being introducted.

With these three points you obtain not only the cure for hooking/underplane problems but also you obtain a totally subconscious-friendly motion.

How to apply it all in your case:
1. adopt diagonality of the stance, especially by presetting open hips at address; they will lead automatically the thorax and shoulders adding naturally the OTT element; since you reach the EEP easily there is no danger for fading too much at all; your impact will look more open with legs/hips as Hogan DTL compared to your DTL;
2. use the three right hands literally; you are right handed, therefore let your whole right side with your rear arm/hand compress at your lead side (impact compression phase described here: [link widoczny dla zalogowanych]).
Do not be afraid to lose wrist angles just after impact.

With your current motion you are too closed at impact resulting with a too-inside approach with a slightly open clubface caused by handle dragging; the result must be a draw/hook.

Cheers

Posted: Tue 1:41, 25 Feb 2014

Dariusz,

I apologize for my delayed response.

I've been studying the chapters you mentioned and it all makes sense to me now. I'm excited to get out and work on my swing and will keep you updated with the results.

Thanks again for your help!

Cheers,

Brent

Posted: Tue 20:39, 25 Feb 2014

Brent, good luck, mate. If only a small part of my researches can bring you back on track, it would be my great pleasure. It's a shame that such a great motion does not belong to a well-known golfer.

Cheers,

Posted: Thu 18:14, 27 Feb 2014

Dariusz,

I'm not sure how I got to it, but I came across a thred on the Brian Manzella forum from 2010 regarding your theories. While I do think that Brian is a great teacher, I think that he handled that thred poorly. Very immature and IMO he felt threatened by your knowledge. You handled the whole thred with pure class and were respectful to all. I lost some respect for Brian and now have more for you. Keep up the good work.

Cheers,

Brent

Posted: Thu 21:56, 27 Feb 2014

Brent,

Do you mean this thread ?

[link widoczny dla zalogowanych]

If yes, I remember it well that it lasted lots longer than Brian surely thought, LOL. I do not have hard feelings, firstly because I forget bad things quickly and, what is even more important, there were times I was gracious and humbled and suffered lots of personal attacks -- however, there were times (not so long ago, unfortunately) where I was stupid enough to try to take revenge on instructors or better players on various fora using my superior knowledge in areas they were ignorant and was not nice at all.

Anyhow, the thread contains episodes of a good quality discussion worth reading, since there were a few participants ready to learn something new or just to exchange opinions.

Cheers,

Posted: Thu 23:04, 27 Feb 2014

Yes, that's the thred I was talking about.

IMO, instructors (or golfers in general) that want to debate that there is only ONE way to swing a golf club or that THEIR way is the ONLY way, is ridiculous. What do they care and why do they want to debate that they're right and you are wrong? What does it matter? Isn't the goal to learn and improve? It is for me. To me, it's all about learning and improving. It's a constant progression that will never end. No one has ALL the answers.

And, if you're reading this and wanting to know why I care, it's because it irks me when well known instructors try and deject new theorist because their ideas may differ from their own.

I applauded you and think it's great that you're delving into aspects of the golf swing that very few (if any) ever have. Like I said before, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!

Brent

Posted: Thu 23:21, 27 Feb 2014

Brent,

It is very human for experts to react negatively on ideas that were unexploited (no matter if the reason is ignorance or self-confidence) that somehow appear to be even a little bit valid because it shows that their knowledge is incomplete. The more in a scientific circles. The more if they are formulated by a man from nowhere. This is dangerous for experts' professional reputation.
I am not blaming them for this, ultimately, they're humans. However, it is not possible not to agree to you as well. Anyhow, let's move on Smile

Cheers,